IS IT LOGICAL THAT A MAN WHO OCCUPIES THE CHAIR OF PETER CAN BE BOTH A HERETIC AND THE POPE?

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Reblog from Bp. Gracia’s website. See reblogged article below the Comment.

(Comment by admin/editor of RemnantDiscciples JtM):

The article by Fr. Belland expresses what all true Catholic faithful feel is true, and must be so – yet they cannot see that this exactly means that the obvious answer staring them in the face, is that Benedict is the true pope. If they investigated all the intricacies of canon law, they would see this. (How about just reading Bro Alexis Bugnolo’s examination of this question?)  In fact if they read the prophecies from saints – it would be clear as a bell.

God would not want us to be confounded, but knowing the minds of men, have sent us prophets, as in the Old Testament and New Testament when His people were in trouble. Granted, people to not always listen to prophets and they were always despised and struggled to to be heard, but this is not so today. We have people who have been proclaimed saintswho would doubt them? If there was any doubt about anything a saint said or did, do you think that they would be canonized?

Would you doubt St Francis of Assisi? He told us 800 years ago that there would be 2 popes – one would not be a true pope, but a destroyer! Well, guess who fits the bill?! Why don’t all priests and bishops proclaim this fact? Don’t they believe that God would sent saints?

What about Bl. Anne Catherine Emmerich? She told us a lot about the Pope who “lives in a palace other than before” and who is suffering in Rome, and about the “Little Black Man” . In case you don’t know, Jesuits wear black, and the head of the Jesuits (which Bergoglio once was), has always traditionally been referred to as “the black pope”. She also mentions that “He has his agents in the NEW Black Church also” and many other things about him.

What about Our Lady – would they believe her? Way back in 1846, at La Salette, she said that “one will not know which is the true pope”. She also told us that “Rome will lose the faith and become the seat of the antichrist”. This of course was confirmed at Fatima, but they were all too fearful to obey and pronounce the Third Secret in 1960, and the complete message is still under wrap.

What about St Paul? In his 2nd letter to the Thessalonians (2: 1-12), he speaks of the antichrist, then he says (vs.6-7) : “And now you know what has been restraining him (from being revealed), that he may be revealed in his time.only he who now restrains  does so, until he is taken out of the way“.

It seems to me that this fits perfectly to what Fr Belland says in article below. Pope Benedict is the solution. When he is taken out of Rome  (see Bl. A.C. Emmerich), the Antichrist will be revealed.. Benedict is the one who restrains, (see St Paul 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12).

 

 

 

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IS IT LOGICAL THAT A MAN WHO OCCUPIES THE CHAIR OF PETER CAN BE BOTH A HERETIC AND THE POPE?

Father David R. Belland writes to Abyssum out of his deep felt concern and love for the Church.

He suggests that If Our Lord promised that “the gates of hell shall not prevail against it,” His Bride, He means it.  Yet, what if a man who claims to be a pope becomes a heretic or seemingly teaches heresy?  That question has been pondered down the ages, and to this day no absolute answer has really been provided.  In fact, for all the hypothetical scenarios concerning heresy, the possible solutions proposed by the learned theologians are just that: possible, but not in any way certain.  Michael Davies in his book, I Am with You Always: The Divine Constitution and Indefectibility of the Catholic Church, says the following:

 Saint Robert was (in De Romano Pontifice Vol. II, chap. 30, p. 720), of course, discussing a theoretical possibility, and believed that a pope could not become an heretic and thus could not be deposed, but he also acknowledged that the more common opinion was that the pope could become an heretic, and he was thus willing to discuss what would need to be done if, per impossible, this should happen: ‘This opinion (that the Pope could not become an heretic) is probable and easily defended. . . . Nonetheless, in view of the fact that this is not certain, and that the common opinion is the opposite one, it is useful to examine the solution to this question, within the hypothesis that the Pope can be an heretic’ [De Romano Pontifice, Vol. II, chap.30, p.418].  The great Jesuit theologian, Francisco de Suarez (1548-1617) was also sure that God’s ‘sweet providence’ would never allow the one who could not teach error to fall into error, and that this was guaranteed by the promise Ego autem rogavi pro te… (Luke 22:32).  But, like Bellarmine, Suarez was willing to consider the possibility of an heretical pope as an hypothesis, particularly in view of the fact, he claimed, that several ‘general councils had admitted the hypothesis in question’ [De legibus, vol. IV, chap. 7, no. 10, p 361].  Saint Alphonsus Ligouri (1696-1787) did not believe that God would ever permit a Roman Pontiff to become a public or an occult (secret) heretic, even as a private person:  ‘We ought rightly to presume as Cardinal Bellarmine declared, that God will never let it happen that a Roman Pontiff, even as a private person, become a public heretic or an occult heretic’ [Dogmatic Works of St. Alphonsus Maria de Ligouri, Vol. VIII, p. 720].”[1] 

 [1] Michael Davies, I Am With You Always: The Divine Constitution and Indefectibility of the Catholic Church, New rev. ed. 1997, The Neumann Press, Long Prairie, Minnesota, 1997, pp. 44 – 4 )

 Certainly, God would not allow his Church to be left in the dust of doubt either with regard to Faith or with regard to Morals. Considering the reality of the situation in the Church today, therefore, one that is absolutely unparalleled, indeed exceptional, can one really look to the past for a solution, which no one has actually demonstrated to be absolutely workable for past crises, or to merely theoretical scenarios envisioned for the future?  Yet, those theoretical problems discussed in the past in no way even remotely approach the unprecedented reality here and now.  

The mind of Father David R. Belland resolutely balks at the idea. He asks: “Does it not seem more likely that the unprecedented reality of today demands an unprecedented concrete solution?  And can you guess what’s coming; yes, you’re right, Benedict is that unprecedented, yet concrete, solution that if looked into can be seen as that unquestionable protection of God.”

Perhaps a better way of stating the QUESTION is this.

A man who occupies the Chair of Peter is called the Pope.

A man who occupies the Chair of Peter seems to be a public heretic or occult heretic, yet it is not reasonable that God would ever permit a Roman Pontiff to become a public or an occult (secret) heretic, even as a private person: 

Ergo, such a man who occupies the Chair of Peter is not the Pope.

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