The Dubia, Schism and Prophecy


“The schism in My Church will be broken into different stages.

The first stage will be when only those who truly know Me, and understand the Truth of the Holy Gospels, will decide that they cannot accept lies in My Name….” (Prophecy from the Book of Truth 20th October, 2013)

Are we at the beginning of the first stage of the schism?

“Those who truly know Me and understand the truth of the holy Gospels” – i.e. the 4 Cardinals (Cardinals Raymond, Walter Brandmüller, Carlo Caffarra, and Joachim Maisner).

“…will decide that they cannot accept lies in My Name….”

they requested from Bergoglio a clarification about doubts which have arisen as a result of Amoris Laetitia. On 19th September they sent a letter to the pope, which was a set of 5 Yes/No questions on matters in AL which are at odds with Catholic moral teaching. When he had not responded within 2 months, they made the letter public.

The “Dubia” questions:

1) whether adulterers can receive Holy Communion;

2) whether there are absolute moral norms that must be followed “without exceptions;”

3) if habitual adultery is an “objective situation of grave habitual sin;”

4) whether an intrinsically evil act can be turned into a “‘subjectively’ good” act based on “circumstances or intentions;” and

5) if, based on “conscience,” one can act contrary to known “absolute moral norms that prohibit intrinsically evil acts.”

Two opposing sides:

In a secular newspaper (see below) it was statedJudging by a cautionary letter to Francis during last year’s Synod on the Family, at least a dozen other cardinals, including Australia’s George Pell, share some of their (the 4 cardinals) concerns”.

After the letter was made public, Bishop Athanasius Schneider also spoke up in support of the 4 Cardinals. He said “they did their basic duty. Bishop Schneider  had “great astonishment for what he called the “unusually violent and intolerant” nature of the backlash, adding that such reaction runs contrary to the Pope’s call for “dialogue and acceptance of legitimate plurality of opinions.”

“Such apodictic merciless judgments reveal not only intolerance, refusal of dialogue, and irrational rage but demonstrate also a surrender to the impossibility of speaking the truth, a surrender to relativism in doctrine and practice, in faith and life,” he said. See

The Opposition:

Cardinals Blasé Cupich and Thomas Tobin and others such as Jesuit Antonio Spadaro referred to the 4 cardinals as “witless worms”.

Greek bishop Frangiskos Papamanolis accused the cardinals of the sins of “apostasy” and “scandal” and that they received Holy Communion sacrilegiously for raising concerns about the pope’s document. See the article at:

The secular press joins in:

“As The Australian has reported, AL is at the centre of the most serious challenge facing Francis. That has come from two German cardinals, an Italian and an American. Judging by a cautionary letter to Francis during last year’s Synod on the Family, at least a dozen other cardinals, including Australia’s George Pell, share some of their concerns.

This week, the four cardinals released the “please explain’’ letter they sent the pope privately eight weeks ago. He declined to answer. Such public, formal questioning of a pope’s teaching has been unknown for centuries. The AL row has also baffled and upset Catholics in the pews, who hold immense respect from the papal office. Some would welcome a relaxation of rules, others believe such change is not Catholic and not possible.

Two days ago, one of the four, US Cardinal Raymond Burke, 68, who was the Vatican’s top church lawyer until Francis sacked him two years ago, upped the ante. Like the other three cardinals, he has nothing to lose.

In an interview, the quietly-spoken prelate said that unless Francis corrected his own document the cardinals would do it for him, by issuing “a formal act of correction of a serious error’’. There was, Burke said, a rare tradition in the Church, “the practice of correction of the Roman Pontiff’’.

From The Weekend Australian, 18th November, 2016

Another Prophecy:

“Within six months of the heresy being introduced into My Church, many who ignored My Call, will flee and seek out those who remained true to My Holy Word. Then My Army will swell, grow and gather the remnants from all Christian churches and fight the spirit of evil.” (Prophecy from the Book of Truth 20th October, 2013)

TtCrusader (a regular contributor – sometimes gives me ideas) emailed me: (re prophecy above):

“It’s 6 months from Amoris Laetitia till the Dubia”!!!

If that’s the case: Crusaders, get ready for the influx – our army is about to grow!

The Four Horns, the Four Smiths and the Four Cardinals


By Donna Liane (19/11/2016 4:40:00 PM)

Today I felt drawn to, and went to the Bible to read. I opened on a short passage about a symbolic vision and it’s meaning as explained by God’s angel.

Zachariah 1: 18-21 (see note and alternate reference below)*

It was called “The Horns and the Smiths”:

What struck me as I read:

There were 4 horns which scattered Jerusalem.

There were also 4 smiths to strike the horns down and lay them low.

Immediately I knew that the four horns referred to the 4 cardinals and the current situation regarding the ‘Dubai’  published recently which was directed to Pope Francis.

The four horns (or announcements) in this current situation are the proclamations made by Pope Francis, which surreptitiously seek to destroy and scatter the faithful. The last entitled, “Amoris Laetitia”  has caused the  4 Cardinals to speak up at last; to cast the horn down & lay it low.

In keeping with this current interpretation of the vision, the other three horns would be his other published proclamations:

Lumen Fidei, Evangelii Gaudium, Laudato si and Amoris Laetitia, as mentioned.

If you are not from the Catholic community, the ‘dubai’ or ‘doubts’ formally raised by the Cardinals which seek clarification as to whether FP is trying to change or deny church teaching (which he cannot do) on some significant matters of faith and morals, (eg.the nature of sin and forgiveness and the worthy reception of Holy Communion) is a BIG DEAL! They are seeking to force the ‘pope’ (really an enemy of Christ) to reveal his true intentions or beliefs. They cannot prove him a deliberate persistent heretic unless he reveals the meaning of his teachings and his refusal to retract the errors. They are issuing a formal and now public correction of his heresies.

The next step may be, more or less, to declare him or his teachings anathema and to declare him an anti-pope. They may elect a new pope but this will depend on  Pope Benedict (emeritus), who is still a valid and true Pope.  In fact,  this is a big and serious task for the few, courageous Cardinals and is not being taken lightly. For now, their job, as described in the vision, is clear. Read on…

Zachariah 1: 18-21 (Douay Rheims)

[18] And I lifted up my eyes, and saw: and behold four horns.

[19] And I said to the angel that spoke to me: What are these? And he said to me: These are the horns that have scattered Juda, and Israel, and Jerusalem.

[20] And the Lord shewed me four smiths.

[18] Four horns: The four horns represent the empires, or kingdoms, that persecute and oppress the kingdom of God.

[20] Four smiths: The four smiths, or carpenters (for faber may signify either) represent those whom God makes his instruments in bringing to nothing the power of persecutors.

[21] And I said: What come these to do? and he spoke, saying: These are the horns which have scattered Juda every man apart, and none of them lifted up his head: and these are come to fray them, to cast down the horns of the nations, that have lifted up the horn upon the land of Juda to scatter it.


*The Douay Rheims, NIV (New International Version  and RSV (Revised Standard Version – Catholic Ed.)   –   The  reference is Zachariah 1:18-2

Both the Jerusalem Bible and the CTS New Catholic Bible have a heading entitled ‘Second Vision’. It looks like Chapter 2, but the numbers of the verses have a double numbering system so that it can read Zachariah 1: 18-21 or  2: 1-4.

In the new American Bible, the Reference is Zachariah 2: 1-4